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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --Boundary_(ID_1cSRCs/gxENBAYazWiU7YQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Katherine, Thanks again, I think I got it now. As for the market tester, I'll discuss it with Bill off list. ================================================= Roger Tawa http://tawacentral.net/ [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] [When you stop, you're done.] -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 9:39 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] market bottom Hi Roger, Thanks for pointing that out... careless editing on my part and you are correct. The FTD looks for a day where price is up 1-2% on volume higher than the previous day (and on volume >= 50 day avg daily volume for the index). In other words, a FTD is an "accumulation" day with particular % increase in price. O'Neil states that a FTD can occur on any of the major indexes. My understanding from talking with Bill Lee is that after doing extensive backtesting on the O'Neil signals (in and out of the market), that the signals were far more reliable on the NASDAQ than on other indexes. He also concluded from that same backtesting that the original definition of a FTD (1% vs. 2%) was a better signal. I see a macro level signal like this to be somewhat secondary to the action in the individual stocks, so I don't think the distinctions are particularly troublesome. Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 6:26 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] market bottom Hi Katherine, Thanks for the explanation. Below when you say "you are looking for an up day on 1-2% more volume than prior day" about the FTD, you mean the price should be up 1-2% and volume should be up (no percent requirement). Is that correct? On a related note, while looking at the recent bottom we had in March, I noticed something curious (at least to me anyway). I was using yahoo finance to look at charts for the DOW Jones Industrial (^DJI), S&P 500 (^SPX) and NASDAQ composite (^IXIC). What was curious was that the daily and weekly volume for the ^DJI and ^SPX were identical. Exactly. After a few email exchanges with yahoo and csi data (who provide the historical information to yahoo), I discovered that csi does not provide index volume. They either provided total NASDAQ composite volume or total NYSE volume, depending on the index. ^DJI and ^SPX seem to use total NYSE volume, while ^IXIC seems to use NASDAQ composite volume. Does this mean that csi data is invalid for looking for DDs or FTDs? I'm not sure what csi is doing is what WON intended when he explains how to look them. Thoughts anyone? So this could mean that anyone using csi data to look for DDs or FTDs may need to be wary of the results. This might explain why Bill Lee states himself on his market-tester website that his tool seems to work better for the NASDAQ then the rest. ---start email exchange with yahoo and csi data--- Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fwd: Re: Feedback - Inaccurate Data (KMM6629457V53884L0KM)] Close Print Date Tue, 25 March 2003 11:14:04am From Ron Franz <ron@csidata.com> To rogerta@ureach.com Thanks for you email. The reason for the same volume is we only provide the NYSE volume for these index. We do not at this time provide the index volume. > Subject: Fwd: Re: Feedback - Inaccurate Data (KMM6629457V53884L0KM) > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:09:57 -0500 > From: Roger Tawa <rogerta@ureach.com> > To: marketing@csidata.com > > hi there, > > i am considering a subscription to your "us stock and indices" service for > personal and private use. however, while using yahoo finance, i encoutered > some problems which they claim originate with you (please see email thread > below). > > can you confirm or deny this problem? are there any specific issues or > limitations with indices? > > thank you. > > Roger Tawa > [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] > > ________________________________________________ > Get your own "800" number > Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more > http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag > > ---- Yahoo!Finance finance-admin@yahoo-inc.com wrote ---- > > > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 09:25:44 -0800 > > To: Roger Tawa <rogerta@ureach.com> > > Subject: Re: Feedback - Inaccurate Data (KMM6629457V53884L0KM) > > From: Yahoo!Finance <finance-admin@yahoo-inc.com> > > Reply-To: Yahoo!Finance <finance-admin@yahoo-inc.com> > > > > > > Hello, > > > > Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Finance. > > > > This data is provided and maintained by CSI Data. We have brought this > > problem to their attention. CSI Data will verify the record and make any > > necessary changes (after which Yahoo! will be sent the updated > > information). > > > > > > Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Customer Care. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Yahoo! Customer Care > > > > For assistance with all Yahoo! services please visit: > > > > http://help.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > Original Message Follows: > > ------------------------- > > > > Yahoo! ID: sherritawa > > > > Subject: Inaccurate Data > > > > Ticker Symbol: ^spx > > > > Company Name: > > > > Type your feedback here: > > hi there, > > > > i am using the historical prices > > feature of yahoo finance. i noticed > > that for two indices, ^SPX and ^DJI, > > the daily volume is exactly the same. > > > > this is a little strange since these > > two indices are not the same. note > > that the price information is not the > > same, and seems to be correct. > > > > is there a problem with the volume data > > for indices? thanks. > > > > > > While Viewing: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/fin/quote/quote-05.html > > > > Yahoo ID: sherritawa : no amt link > > Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0; T312461) > > REMOTE_ADDR: 24.200.68.166 > > REMOTE_HOST: unknown > > Date Originated: Friday March 21, 2003 - 17:24:20 > > ------- > > > > ---end email exchange with yahoo and csi data--- ================================================= Roger Tawa http://tawacentral.net/ [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] [When you stop, you're done.] -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 9:12 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] market bottom Hi Roger, The beginning of an "attempted" rally is simply a close up from the prior day. Volume isn't a concern, because all you are looking for in a day like this is the ability of the index to close on an "up note" after a string of down days. Once that attempted rally starts, you are *then* in the 3rd through 10th day following that first attempted "up" day, you are looking for an up day on 1-2% more volume than prior day (the FTD) . That "confirms" that the first day of the attempted rally (regardless of the volume) wasn't a fluke, but the beginning of a new underlying trend/direction for the index. See also http://www.market-tester.com/newft.htm for Bill Lee's explanation of the attempted rally/follow through day. Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 8:35 PM To: CANSLIM Subject: [CANSLIM] market bottom Hi all, I'm studying lesson 14 in WON's 24 essential lessons, and I have a question about the first day of any attempted rally. On page 78, WON says that oct 8th represents the start of a new rally. However, this day's volume is down quite a bit from the previous day. Does this mean that a rally can start when an index is up 1% or more, regardless of volume? Is it only a follow through day that needs to be up 1% or more *and* have increased volume? 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