Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs

From: "Chuck Dreier" <chucknsc@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:49:00 -0400
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Thanks everyone!  I don't use a deep discount broker (I use Schwab)  and =
they don't have trailing stops as an option.  'Wish they did.....
Chuck
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: S=E9bastien Derks=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 2:13 PM
  Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs


  Chuck,

  =20

  =20

  A trailing stop works like this:

  =20

  If you put a stop at $9.50 (5% below $10.00) when having it stock =
bought at $10.00 then if the stock goes up to $11 then the stop will =
change to $10.45 (5% below $11). It basically stays the same percentage =
under the new high reached. In case the stock drops then to $10.45 the =
stop order will be executed because it only moves up when a new high is =
reached from the point that you bought it for.

  =20

  =20

  S=E9bastien

  =20

  =20

  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dreier
  Sent: woensdag 21 mei 2003 20:05
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs

  =20

  Please explain "trailing stop".  How is that different than the stop =
loss that I'm familiar with?  Thanks....

  Chuck

  =20

    ----- Original Message -----=20

    From: jeffwdc=20

    To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20

    Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:24 PM

    Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs

    =20

    Rolf,

    I asked a similar question a couple of months ago.=20
    Tom Worely posted a reply, but I regret I can't find
    his actual message -however I did print a hard copy. =20
    On 3/20/03 Tom wrote:
    ...the normal procedure I use is to leave the stop
    loss unchanged (from the 8% stop placed after
    purchase) until I am up at least 15%.  At that point,
    I raise my limit to my original entry point (or
    aveerage price if multiple purchases).  After that, I
    try to us a trailing stop 15% below the prior day
    (sometimes the closing price, sometimes the intraday
    high, depends on the chart, stock, fundies, how badly
    I want to take profits, etc.)  Of course, once raised,
    the stop loss should NEVER be lowered.

    Also found this message from Tom written on 4/21/03:

    "I think any stop loss price should be selected after
    studying the chart, and considering your entry point.
    When I use hard stops, I like to put them just under
    where I see support, figuring if it goes thru short
    term support then it could go down a lot further.

    When I really don't want to be stopped out, and
    especially when I already have a nice profit, I tend
    to use looser stops."

    Jeff Gasta
    Note: I am now using a new e-mail address.

    --- Rolf Hertenstein <rolfh@mindspring.com> wrote:
    > Just curious how folks manage their mental or hard*
    > STOPs on a broken-out stock that is behaving well
    > (gaining steadily over a few months with a few
    > 10-15% corrections).  I'm especially curious about
    > techniques people might use in this market.
    >=20
    > A 'standard' technique uses a trailing STOP at xx%
    > below the currwnt price.  Another technique I have
    > read about sets STOPs in relation to the 50 or 200
    > DMA, with the hope that allowing the stock
    > relatively wide swings ultimately leads to big
    > gains, as long as the DMA is still rising.
    >=20
    > Any thoughts greatly appreciated.
    >=20
    >  Rolf
    >=20


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks everyone!&nbsp; I don't use a =
deep discount=20
broker&nbsp;(I use Schwab)&nbsp; and they don't have trailing stops as =
an=20
option.&nbsp; 'Wish they did.....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Chuck</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dsderks@gmx.net href=3D"mailto:sderks@gmx.net">S=E9bastien =
Derks</A>=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 21, 2003 =
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  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [CANSLIM] =
STOPs</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN =
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  trailing stop works like this:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; =
mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">If=20
  you put a stop at $9.50 (5% below $10.00) when having it stock bought =
at=20
  $10.00 then if the stock goes up to $11 then the stop will change to =
$10.45=20
  (5% below $11). It basically stays the same percentage under the new =
high=20
  reached. In case the stock drops then to $10.45 the stop order will be =

  executed because it only moves up when a new high is reached from the =
point=20
  that you bought it for.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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  owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
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  <B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Chuck=20
  Dreier<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> =
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  2003 </SPAN></FONT><st1:time Minute=3D"5" Hour=3D"20"><FONT =
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  canslim@lists.xmission.com<BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [CANSLIM]=20
  STOPs</SPAN></FONT></P>
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  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Please explain "trailing =

  stop".&nbsp; How is that different than&nbsp;the stop loss that I'm =
familiar=20
  with?&nbsp; Thanks....</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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    <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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    <DIV>
    <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><B><FONT =
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    size=3D2><SPAN=20
    style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
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Arial"> Re:=20
    [CANSLIM] STOPs<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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    <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 35.4pt"><FONT =
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    size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Rolf,<BR><BR>I asked a =
similar question=20
    a couple of months ago. <BR>Tom Worely posted a reply, but I regret =
I can't=20
    find<BR>his actual message -however I did print a hard copy.&nbsp; =
<BR>On=20
    3/20/03 Tom wrote:<BR>...the normal procedure I use is to leave the=20
    stop<BR>loss unchanged (from the 8% stop placed after<BR>purchase) =
until I=20
    am up at least 15%.&nbsp; At that point,<BR>I raise my limit to my =
original=20
    entry point (or<BR>aveerage price if multiple purchases).&nbsp; =
After that,=20
    I<BR>try to us a trailing stop 15% below the prior day<BR>(sometimes =
the=20
    closing price, sometimes the intraday<BR>high, depends on the chart, =
stock,=20
    fundies, how badly<BR>I want to take profits, etc.)&nbsp; Of course, =
once=20
    raised,<BR>the stop loss should NEVER be lowered.<BR><BR>Also found =
this=20
    message from Tom written on 4/21/03:<BR><BR>"I think any stop loss =
price=20
    should be selected after<BR>studying the chart, and considering your =
entry=20
    point.<BR>When I use hard stops, I like to put them just =
under<BR>where I=20
    see support, figuring if it goes thru short<BR>term support then it =
could go=20
    down a lot further.<BR><BR>When I really don't want to be stopped =
out,=20
    and<BR>especially when I already have a nice profit, I tend<BR>to =
use looser=20
    stops."<BR><BR>Jeff Gasta<BR>Note: I am now using a new e-mail=20
    address.<BR><BR>--- Rolf Hertenstein &lt;<A=20
    href=3D"mailto:rolfh@mindspring.com">rolfh@mindspring.com</A>&gt;=20
    wrote:<BR>&gt; Just curious how folks manage their mental or =
hard*<BR>&gt;=20
    STOPs on a broken-out stock that is behaving well<BR>&gt; (gaining =
steadily=20
    over a few months with a few<BR>&gt; 10-15% corrections).&nbsp; I'm=20
    especially curious about<BR>&gt; techniques people might use in this =

    market.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; A 'standard' technique uses a trailing STOP =
at=20
    xx%<BR>&gt; below the currwnt price.&nbsp; Another technique I =
have<BR>&gt;=20
    read about sets STOPs in relation to the 50 or 200<BR>&gt; DMA, with =
the=20
    hope that allowing the stock<BR>&gt; relatively wide swings =
ultimately leads=20
    to big<BR>&gt; gains, as long as the DMA is still rising.<BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt;=20
    Any thoughts greatly appreciated.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp; =
Rolf<BR>&gt;=20
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