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Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:07:54 +0200
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Interactive Brokers offer this option. Know someone who uses it and is
very happy with it.
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From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dreier
Sent: woensdag 21 mei 2003 20:49
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs
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Thanks everyone! I don't use a deep discount broker (I use Schwab) and
they don't have trailing stops as an option. 'Wish they did.....
Chuck
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From: S=E9bastien Derks <mailto:sderks@gmx.net> =20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 2:13 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] STOPs
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Chuck,
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A trailing stop works like this:
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If you put a stop at $9.50 (5% below $10.00) when having it stock bought
at $10.00 then if the stock goes up to $11 then the stop will change to
$10.45 (5% below $11). It basically stays the same percentage under the
new high reached. In case the stock drops then to $10.45 the stop order
will be executed because it only moves up when a new high is reached
from the point that you bought it for.
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S=E9bastien
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- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dreier
Sent: woensdag 21 mei 2003 20:05
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs
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Please explain "trailing stop". How is that different than the stop
loss that I'm familiar with? Thanks....
Chuck
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- ----- Original Message -----=20
From: jeffwdc <mailto:jeffwdc@yahoo.com> =20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STOPs
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Rolf,
I asked a similar question a couple of months ago.=20
Tom Worely posted a reply, but I regret I can't find
his actual message -however I did print a hard copy. =20
On 3/20/03 Tom wrote:
...the normal procedure I use is to leave the stop
loss unchanged (from the 8% stop placed after
purchase) until I am up at least 15%. At that point,
I raise my limit to my original entry point (or
aveerage price if multiple purchases). After that, I
try to us a trailing stop 15% below the prior day
(sometimes the closing price, sometimes the intraday
high, depends on the chart, stock, fundies, how badly
I want to take profits, etc.) Of course, once raised,
the stop loss should NEVER be lowered.
Also found this message from Tom written on 4/21/03:
"I think any stop loss price should be selected after
studying the chart, and considering your entry point.
When I use hard stops, I like to put them just under
where I see support, figuring if it goes thru short
term support then it could go down a lot further.
When I really don't want to be stopped out, and
especially when I already have a nice profit, I tend
to use looser stops."
Jeff Gasta
Note: I am now using a new e-mail address.
- --- Rolf Hertenstein <rolfh@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Just curious how folks manage their mental or hard*
> STOPs on a broken-out stock that is behaving well
> (gaining steadily over a few months with a few
> 10-15% corrections). I'm especially curious about
> techniques people might use in this market.
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> A 'standard' technique uses a trailing STOP at xx%
> below the currwnt price. Another technique I have
> read about sets STOPs in relation to the 50 or 200
> DMA, with the hope that allowing the stock
> relatively wide swings ultimately leads to big
> gains, as long as the DMA is still rising.
>=20
> Any thoughts greatly appreciated.
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> Rolf
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Brokers offer this option. Know someone who uses it and is very happy =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Chuck Dreier<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> woensdag 21 <span
class=3DGramE>mei</span> 2003 20:49<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
canslim@lists.xmission.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [CANSLIM] =
STOPs</span></font></p>
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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thanks everyone! I =
don't use a
deep discount broker (I use Schwab) and they don't have =
trailing
stops as an option. 'Wish they =
did.....</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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pan></font></b><font
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> RE:
[CANSLIM] STOPs<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D2 =
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face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
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color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Chuck,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>A trailing stop works like =
this:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>If you put a stop at $9.50 (5% below
$10.00) when having it stock bought at $10.00 then if the stock goes up =
to $11
then the stop will change to $10.45 (5% below $11). It basically stays =
the same
percentage under the new high reached. In case the stock drops then to =
$10.45
the stop order will be executed because it only moves up when a new high =
is
reached from the point that you bought it =
for.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
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- --Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] <b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Chuck Dreier<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> woensdag 21 mei =
2003 20:05<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
canslim@lists.xmission.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [CANSLIM] =
STOPs</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:70.8pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:70.8pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Please explain =
"trailing
stop". How is that different than the stop loss that I'm
familiar with? Thanks....</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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pan></font></b><font
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:70.8pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Rolf,<br>
<br>
I asked a similar question a couple of months ago. <br>
Tom Worely posted a reply, but I regret I can't find<br>
his actual message -however I did print a hard copy. <br>
On 3/20/03 Tom wrote:<br>
...the normal procedure I use is to leave the stop<br>
loss unchanged (from the 8% stop placed after<br>
purchase) until I am up at least 15%. At that point,<br>
I raise my limit to my original entry point (or<br>
aveerage price if multiple purchases). After that, I<br>
try to us a trailing stop 15% below the prior day<br>
(sometimes the closing price, sometimes the intraday<br>
high, depends on the chart, stock, fundies, how badly<br>
I want to take profits, etc.) Of course, once raised,<br>
the stop loss should NEVER be lowered.<br>
<br>
Also found this message from Tom written on 4/21/03:<br>
<br>
"I think any stop loss price should be selected after<br>
studying the chart, and considering your entry point.<br>
When I use hard stops, I like to put them just under<br>
where I see support, figuring if it goes thru short<br>
term support then it could go down a lot further.<br>
<br>
When I really don't want to be stopped out, and<br>
especially when I already have a nice profit, I tend<br>
to use looser stops."<br>
<br>
Jeff Gasta<br>
Note: I am now using a new e-mail address.<br>
<br>
- --- Rolf Hertenstein <<a =
href=3D"mailto:rolfh@mindspring.com">rolfh@mindspring.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> Just curious how folks manage their mental or hard*<br>
> STOPs on a broken-out stock that is behaving well<br>
> (gaining steadily over a few months with a few<br>
> 10-15% corrections). I'm especially curious about<br>
> techniques people might use in this market.<br>
> <br>
> A 'standard' technique uses a trailing STOP at xx%<br>
> below the currwnt price. Another technique I have<br>
> read about sets STOPs in relation to the 50 or 200<br>
> DMA, with the hope that allowing the stock<br>
> relatively wide swings ultimately leads to big<br>
> gains, as long as the DMA is still rising.<br>
> <br>
> Any thoughts greatly appreciated.<br>
> <br>
> Rolf<br>
> <br>
<br>
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