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Look,
I think many of you are making CANSLIM much more complicated that it =
really is.
This is how I have been trading very successfully for a number of =
years.
RS 80+
E.P.S. 70+ (annual)
1 Year high (5 y/h preferred)
Price >$10 <$50
Volume% inc: >250% (this tells me an institution has bought)
Average volume: >250,000 per day (not interested in illiquid stocks)
Cap: <2.0bn (small cap stocks)
Viola... I usually get one or two stocks per week that I then chart =
and concentrate on "trading"
At the end of the day it is about position sizing, money management =
and having the correct trading psychology.
READ Darvases book. you'll get the picture.
Mark
----- Original Message -----=20
From: DMC197807=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] filter
Jeff,
If you're using a free scanner, why don't you use the one Gene posted =
a couple of days ago (I'll repost his post) and play with the criteria =
there. If I adjust relative strength to 80 or above it spits out 15 =
names.
As for CANSLIM criteria, after M one supposes they are all important, =
and my descending order is no better (could be a lot worse) than anyone =
else's. However, you are asking a question that I answered 2 days ago, =
at least from my perspective. This is from my note on 8/4 to Yien:
<<Good, that's a bunch of information that you can't use. Now, for =
some you
can. There are only 3 numbers which matter, when all the dust is =
settled.
They are NOT p/e, d/e, current ratio, PEG, profit margin or inventory
turnover.
THEY ARE: Price paid for shares, Price received for shares, Time =
held.
Now, MILSCAN (Canslim to some of you) is a very interesting approach, =
and
can possibly, with strong position and money management systems, help =
you to
buy low and sell high in a timely timeframe.
Here's how I think of these factors, in descending order of =
importance:
<<M is for the market and the market trend. We are at an inflection =
point
here, so it's lookout below, or perhaps lookout above.
N is for new highs in the stock, breaking out above the pivot point
L is for an relative strength rating of 70 or better
A is for annual earnings growth (this is for additional comfort)
C is for current quarterly earnings (this is for additional comfort)
I is for institutional sponsorship (this is a timing issue--I think I =
trust
the chart over this, for some reason)
S is for supply of stock (looking for a relatively low no. of =
shares--here I
want to exclude the over-issued monsters like CSCO and INTC where it =
will
take a ton of momentum to move the billions of shares outstanding).
In closing, using TA and FA together is a good idea, but when in =
conflict,
trust the TA. Remember, out of 7000 stocks we are looking for 1 or 2 =
names
a week on which to carefully place our hopes. >>
DMC
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jeff Henderson=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:40 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] filter
Sorry about the misunderstanding I was using the CANSLIM acronym. =
I'll explain my filter again. First off I use MSN as my filter source. =
Here is my filter that I use: current earnings per share (the same =
quarter a year ago)>=3D70%, annual earnings per share over the past 5 =
years, >=3D 24% compounded, shares outstanding<25,000,000, relative =
strength> 80%.
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of DMC197807
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:23 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] filter
=20
Jeff,
=20
I don't understand which filter/scan you are using, or what all your =
variables mean. If you're using a public scan or stockcharts, maybe you =
can put in a link here?
=20
If C =3D capitalization and you are using only the top 30% of stocks =
you've filtered out way too many stocks already. In capitalization I =
only filter out the very top stocks, but that's just me. I don't know =
what your S is. For relative strength I use the top 40% of the market, =
that is, stocks outperforming 60%.
=20
I'm willing to let some other names in because after this scan gives =
me names, I'm happy to look through charts to find appropriate patterns.
=20
DMC
=20
=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jeff Henderson=20
To: Canslim=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 9:02 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] filter
=20
After reading O'Neil's book I decided to use the filter C>=3D70, =
A>=3D5, S<25,000,000, relative strength>80 and last volume 1.5 average =
quarterly volume. To my dismay, no stocks popped up. How would you =
alter this filter?
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Look,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> I think many of you are making =
CANSLIM much=20
more complicated that it really is.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> This is how I have been trading =
very=20
successfully for a number of years.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> RS 80+</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> E.P.S. 70+ (annual)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1 Year high (5 y/h =
preferred)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Price >$10 =
<$50</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Volume% inc: >250% (this =
tells me an=20
institution has bought)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Average volume: >250,000 per day =
(not interested=20
in illiquid stocks)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cap: <2.0bn (small cap=20
stocks)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Viola... I usually get one or =
two stocks per=20
week that I then chart and concentrate on "trading"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> At the end of the day it =
is about=20
position sizing, money management and having the correct trading=20
psychology.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> READ Darvases book. you'll get =
the=20
picture.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Mark</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Ddmc197807@comcast.net=20
href=3D"mailto:dmc197807@comcast.net">DMC197807</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 06, =
2003 8:08=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [CANSLIM] =
filter</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jeff,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you're using a free scanner, why =
don't you use=20
the one Gene posted a couple of days ago (I'll repost his post) and =
play with=20
the criteria there. If I adjust relative strength to 80 or above =
it=20
spits out 15 names.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As for CANSLIM criteria, after M one =
supposes=20
they are all important, and my descending order is no better (could be =
a lot=20
worse) than anyone else's. However, you are asking a question =
that I=20
answered 2 days ago, at least from my perspective. This is from =
my note=20
on 8/4 to Yien:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><<Good, that's a bunch of information that you can't =
use. =20
Now, for some you<BR>can. There are only 3 numbers which matter, =
when=20
all the dust is settled.<BR>They are NOT p/e, d/e, current ratio, PEG, =
profit=20
margin or inventory<BR>turnover.<BR><BR>THEY ARE: Price paid for =
shares,=20
Price received for shares, Time held.<BR><BR>Now, MILSCAN (Canslim to =
some of=20
you) is a very interesting approach, and<BR>can possibly, with strong =
position=20
and money management systems, help you to<BR>buy low and sell high in =
a timely=20
timeframe.<BR><BR>Here's how I think of these factors, in descending =
order of=20
importance:<BR><BR><<M is for the market and the market =
trend. We=20
are at an inflection point<BR>here, so it's lookout below, or perhaps =
lookout=20
above.<BR><BR>N is for new highs in the stock, breaking out above the =
pivot=20
point<BR><BR>L is for an relative strength rating of 70 or =
better<BR><BR>A is=20
for annual earnings growth (this is for additional comfort)<BR><BR>C =
is for=20
current quarterly earnings (this is for additional comfort)<BR><BR>I =
is for=20
institutional sponsorship (this is a timing issue--I think I=20
trust<BR>the chart over this, for some reason)<BR><BR>S is for supply =
of stock=20
(looking for a relatively low no. of shares--here I<BR>want to exclude =
the=20
over-issued monsters like CSCO and INTC where it will<BR>take a ton of =
momentum to move the billions of shares outstanding).<BR><BR>In =
closing, using=20
TA and FA together is a good idea, but when in conflict,<BR>trust the=20
TA. Remember, out of 7000 stocks we are looking for 1 or 2 =
names<BR>a=20
week on which to carefully place our hopes. >></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>DMC</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3DJHend746@cox.net href=3D"mailto:JHend746@cox.net">Jeff =
Henderson</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com</A>=
=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 06, =
2003 11:40=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [CANSLIM] =
filter</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=3DSection1>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sorry =
about the=20
misunderstanding I was using the CANSLIM acronym. <SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I=92ll explain my filter =
again.<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>First off I use MSN as my =
filter=20
source. <SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Here is my =
filter that=20
I use: current earnings per share (the same quarter a year =
ago)>=3D70%,=20
annual earnings per share over the past 5 years, >=3D 24% =
compounded,=20
shares outstanding<25,000,000, relative strength>=20
80%.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original=20
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">From:</SPAN></B>=20
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]=20
<B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of=20
</SPAN></B>DMC197807<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">Sent:</SPAN></B>=20
</SPAN></FONT><st1:date Month=3D"8" Day=3D"6" Year=3D"2003"><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">Wednesday, August=20
06, 2003</SPAN></FONT></st1:date><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> =
</SPAN></FONT><st1:time=20
Hour=3D"11" Minute=3D"23"><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">11:23=20
AM</SPAN></FONT></st1:time><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>=20
canslim@lists.xmission.com<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [CANSLIM]=20
filter</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Jeff,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I don't understand =
which=20
filter/scan you are using, or what all your variables mean. If =
you're=20
using a public scan or stockcharts, maybe you can put in a link=20
here?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If C =3D =
capitalization and you=20
are using only the top 30% of stocks you've filtered out way too =
many stocks=20
already. In capitalization I only filter out the very top =
stocks, but=20
that's just me. I don't know what your S is. For =
relative=20
strength I use the top 40% of the market, that is, stocks =
outperforming=20
60%.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I'm willing to let =
some other=20
names in because after this scan gives me names, I'm happy to look =
through=20
charts to find appropriate =
patterns.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">DMC</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN=20
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<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
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size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> <A=20
title=3DJHend746@cox.net href=3D"mailto:JHend746@cox.net">Jeff =
Henderson</A>=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> <A=20
title=3Dcanslim@lists.xmission.com=20
href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">Canslim</A>=20
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face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">=20
</SPAN></FONT><st1:date Month=3D"8" Day=3D"6" Year=3D"2003"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Wednesday, August=20
06, 2003</SPAN></FONT></st1:date><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> =
</SPAN></FONT><st1:time=20
Hour=3D"9" Minute=3D"2"><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">9:02=20
AM</SPAN></FONT></st1:time><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">=20
[CANSLIM] filter<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">After =
reading=20
O=92Neil=92s book I decided to use the filter C>=3D70, =
A>=3D5,=20
S<25,000,000, relative strength>80 and last volume 1.5 =
average=20
quarterly volume.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</SPAN>To my=20
dismay, no stocks popped up.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes"> =20
</SPAN>How would you alter this=20
=
filter?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLO=
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