Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:42:10 -0600


From: Jeff Morgan <Morgajs@parsec.com>
Subject: Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:42:10 -0600
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:42:10 -0600

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>> 4. Mandate faster vesting of employee contributions to qualified
>> plans,
>> requiring full vesting after three years of service, or graduated
>> vesting
>> in 20% increments over the first 5 years of service.
>
>	[Knight, Philip]  
>	This all sounds fine except for #4.  What business does the
>government have
>	telling private companies at what rate to "vest" employees?
>Employer-contributed
>	amounts are completely at the discretion of a company.  They
>don't *have*
>	to provide *any* "matching."  The purpose behind vesting is to

SIMPLE plans *require* matching, I'm not sure about 401(k)s.

>reward employees who
>	stick with the company.  (It's analagous, in some ways, to
>providing stock options.)
>	If we take away (or diminish) employers' flexibility here, we
>may find that many of them
>	will decide not to do matching at all. For the government to
>come in and mandate
>	something like this is way over the line IMHO.
>
>	BTW, I'm a "worker bee."

So am I.  With a SIMPLE plan.

:-)

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<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;&gt; 4. Mandate =
faster vesting of employee contributions to qualified</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;&gt; =
plans,</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;&gt; requiring =
full vesting after three years of service, or graduated</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;&gt; =
vesting</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;&gt; in 20% =
increments over the first 5 years of service.</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [Knight, =
Philip]&nbsp; </FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; This all sounds =
fine except for #4.&nbsp; What business does the</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;government =
have</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; telling private =
companies at what rate to &quot;vest&quot; employees?</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;Employer-contributed</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; amounts are =
completely at the discretion of a company.&nbsp; They</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;don't =
*have*</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; to provide =
*any* &quot;matching.&quot;&nbsp; The purpose behind vesting is =
to</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">SIMPLE plans =
*require* matching, I'm not sure about 401(k)s.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;reward employees =
who</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; stick with the =
company.&nbsp; (It's analagous, in some ways, to</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;providing stock =
options.)</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If we take away =
(or diminish) employers' flexibility here, we</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;may find that =
many of them</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; will decide not =
to do matching at all. For the government to</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;come in and =
mandate</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; something like =
this is way over the line IMHO.</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; BTW, I'm a =
&quot;worker bee.&quot;</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">So am I.&nbsp; With =
a SIMPLE plan.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">:-)</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Tahoma">--</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Tahoma">Jeff Morgan - =
morgajs@parsec.com</FONT>
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